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Naval History / Re: Nelsons Navy.
« Last post by stokerstan on June 30, 2020, 09:54:21 PM » Wood Three.
Oak, has a further property when used in the building of a ship in the Napoleonic war, it does not splinter easily in action.
Flying wood splinters was the shrapnel of that war, they were one of the principal causes of injuries and death in Nelsons war.
The surgeons faced with the wounded men with broken or smash limbs, had little recourse other than to amputate limbs. It seems that major splinter wounds, or compound fractures of limbs, would invariably become gangrenous if not removed.
Teak wood available in Various parts of the world was seen as a good substitute in the absence of oak but convoying it from places like India was not too successful,and expensive and slow.
In 1812 plans for a modern frigate were to be sent out to a Master ship builder in Bombay, who was to construct a ship from prime Teak and rush it back to the fight. Unfortunately HMS Java, the ship carrying the plans to India was captured by an unfriendly American war ship. New plans eventually arrived in Bombay in late 1813.The ship was eventually launched in 1817.but by this time Wellington had sorted out the French,and the ship sailed to Portsmouth and to be placed "in ordinary" A solid Teak ship,the hull sheathed in sheets of copper. H.M.S. Trincomalee. Still sitting in Hartlepool.
Oak, has a further property when used in the building of a ship in the Napoleonic war, it does not splinter easily in action.
Flying wood splinters was the shrapnel of that war, they were one of the principal causes of injuries and death in Nelsons war.
The surgeons faced with the wounded men with broken or smash limbs, had little recourse other than to amputate limbs. It seems that major splinter wounds, or compound fractures of limbs, would invariably become gangrenous if not removed.
Teak wood available in Various parts of the world was seen as a good substitute in the absence of oak but convoying it from places like India was not too successful,and expensive and slow.
In 1812 plans for a modern frigate were to be sent out to a Master ship builder in Bombay, who was to construct a ship from prime Teak and rush it back to the fight. Unfortunately HMS Java, the ship carrying the plans to India was captured by an unfriendly American war ship. New plans eventually arrived in Bombay in late 1813.The ship was eventually launched in 1817.but by this time Wellington had sorted out the French,and the ship sailed to Portsmouth and to be placed "in ordinary" A solid Teak ship,the hull sheathed in sheets of copper. H.M.S. Trincomalee. Still sitting in Hartlepool.
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Naval History / Re: Nelsons Navy.
« Last post by stokerstan on June 29, 2020, 04:30:49 PM » Oak was the dominant wood used in the construction of British war ships in Nelsons war,it was tough,water resistant, and bent well.However, there was a further reason why oak was always chosen,
which i will return to a little later when I have allowed a "well informed" seaman to enlighten us with this interesting fact, one not referred to in television fiction!! You are on a 24 hour deadline sailor,.....(well informed seaman... a contradiction in terms ). A little help for less literate branch. Page 66- Noel Mosterts "The LINE upon a Wind". 1793--1815. ... 24 HOURS AND COUNTING .Turner !! I know where you live.
As I was saying before i was rudely interrupted, a lot of oak was required to service the fleet, and Napoleons blockades, and his almost total conquests in Europe made this extremely difficult to sort. The Royal Navy was increasingly sending ships into action barely able to stay afloat. Ships on the crucial blockade duties of keeping French and Spanish ships away from convoy routes,
were noted as being so afflicted with rot, that to fire a broadside would probably lead to their ship sinking. The British crews,were generally considered to be the better trained men,but their ships
long past their best in almost every way. The tactic of boarding the enemy and taking said ship as a prize became increasingly a preferred Admiralty tactic. However, it could be very expensive in man power. It was not unheard of for a successful cutting out action to end up with half the crew, dead or injured.Captain Thomas Cochrane took large numbers of enemy ships in the early part of his naval career, at least 50 vessels and probably more. One of his final actions was to pursue several slave carrying ships, and freeing large numbers of slaves.
which i will return to a little later when I have allowed a "well informed" seaman to enlighten us with this interesting fact, one not referred to in television fiction!! You are on a 24 hour deadline sailor,.....(well informed seaman... a contradiction in terms ). A little help for less literate branch. Page 66- Noel Mosterts "The LINE upon a Wind". 1793--1815. ... 24 HOURS AND COUNTING .Turner !! I know where you live.
As I was saying before i was rudely interrupted, a lot of oak was required to service the fleet, and Napoleons blockades, and his almost total conquests in Europe made this extremely difficult to sort. The Royal Navy was increasingly sending ships into action barely able to stay afloat. Ships on the crucial blockade duties of keeping French and Spanish ships away from convoy routes,
were noted as being so afflicted with rot, that to fire a broadside would probably lead to their ship sinking. The British crews,were generally considered to be the better trained men,but their ships
long past their best in almost every way. The tactic of boarding the enemy and taking said ship as a prize became increasingly a preferred Admiralty tactic. However, it could be very expensive in man power. It was not unheard of for a successful cutting out action to end up with half the crew, dead or injured.Captain Thomas Cochrane took large numbers of enemy ships in the early part of his naval career, at least 50 vessels and probably more. One of his final actions was to pursue several slave carrying ships, and freeing large numbers of slaves.
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Naval History / Re: Nelsons Navy.
« Last post by Topsey on June 29, 2020, 11:03:31 AM »I'm sure the 2 1/2 ring doc on the Fife was a Physician . He left me for 1/2 an hour whilst he finished his breakfast bent double when my back locked up, his miracle cure was a cold shower and two paracetamol
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Naval History / Re: The National Memorial Arboretum
« Last post by Topsey on June 29, 2020, 10:57:21 AM »I will be really glad when we can visit again
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Naval History / Re: HMS Hunter - A Survivor's Story.
« Last post by Topsey on June 29, 2020, 10:41:32 AM »what a great story, True respect to all these people who we owe so much to
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Naval History / Re: Nelsons Navy.
« Last post by Topsey on June 29, 2020, 10:29:54 AM » It seems to be the case that many of Nelsons captains much preferred a French or Spanish built ship.
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This is probably because they were easier to get hold of............sneak up on a cold wet night with three booties and take the Frenchie.........I've seen it on Hornblower
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This is probably because they were easier to get hold of............sneak up on a cold wet night with three booties and take the Frenchie.........I've seen it on Hornblower
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Hi-tech Horrors / Re: test
« Last post by Topsey on June 29, 2020, 10:14:25 AM »Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.
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Bit strange this warning, Would I really press "REPLY" unless I wanted to. Maybe we both failed the test. Oh dear Now should I press post if I dont really want to ? decisions decisions..... I wasn't really trained for this
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.
Bit strange this warning, Would I really press "REPLY" unless I wanted to. Maybe we both failed the test. Oh dear Now should I press post if I dont really want to ? decisions decisions..... I wasn't really trained for this
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Naval History / Re: Nelsons Navy.
« Last post by stokerstan on June 27, 2020, 09:26:09 PM »Wood 2.
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Naval History / Re: Nelsons Navy.
« Last post by stokerstan on June 25, 2020, 09:56:44 PM » Wood !
To build a 74 Gun war ship for Nelsons navy,as incredible as it may sound, took about two thousand oak trees.and Britain had run out of oaks. By 1801 Britain was more or less totally dependent on the import of timber, not only to build new ships, but increasingly, to repair the existing battle fleet. Oak was garnered from all corners of the globe,Fir,Pine and Spruce,was in demand for masts.Riga could supply trees for larger masts,whilst Norwegian spruce was used for top masts and yards.Wood supply was as critical to the Napoleonic war effort,as oil became in the fight against Hitler.
North American timber became difficult to source when America withdrew support, and actually joined in the war supporting Napoleons ,and when Denmark agreed to close the Baltic sea lanes to British ships,obtaining wood became a dominating factor in the war strategy.The absolute need to keep open the sea routes for supply purposes, might be compared to the Battle of Britain. Fortunately we had Nelson and his victory at Copenhagen.That sorted a major problem. But Timber was never plentiful during this war,ships requiring specific timber replacement might wait months to get the work completed. The capture of enemy ships needed to be done in such a manner as to ensure that the captured vessel could be given a coat of paint and in some cases a new name,
, and the prize money that went with it.and the White ensign run up, and the tricolour taken down. It seems to be the case that many of Nelsons captains much preferred a French or Spanish built ship.
To build a 74 Gun war ship for Nelsons navy,as incredible as it may sound, took about two thousand oak trees.and Britain had run out of oaks. By 1801 Britain was more or less totally dependent on the import of timber, not only to build new ships, but increasingly, to repair the existing battle fleet. Oak was garnered from all corners of the globe,Fir,Pine and Spruce,was in demand for masts.Riga could supply trees for larger masts,whilst Norwegian spruce was used for top masts and yards.Wood supply was as critical to the Napoleonic war effort,as oil became in the fight against Hitler.
North American timber became difficult to source when America withdrew support, and actually joined in the war supporting Napoleons ,and when Denmark agreed to close the Baltic sea lanes to British ships,obtaining wood became a dominating factor in the war strategy.The absolute need to keep open the sea routes for supply purposes, might be compared to the Battle of Britain. Fortunately we had Nelson and his victory at Copenhagen.That sorted a major problem. But Timber was never plentiful during this war,ships requiring specific timber replacement might wait months to get the work completed. The capture of enemy ships needed to be done in such a manner as to ensure that the captured vessel could be given a coat of paint and in some cases a new name,
, and the prize money that went with it.and the White ensign run up, and the tricolour taken down. It seems to be the case that many of Nelsons captains much preferred a French or Spanish built ship.